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I mean, who hasn't been ignored, been humiliated by or been flat out rejected by the pretty girl in school?

A lot of guys (and not just the ones who have the fetish) don't have the social skills that endear them to women, and they go their whole lives never learning what it takes to attract them.

I don't fantasize about killing or maiming people as a sexual thing. That same part of me recognizes that a woman can be tortured by whipping her breasts without damaging her more than a scrape on her knee (as long as there is a degree of consensuality so she's not traumatized in ways that DON'T heal).Howie The line in my post about being sick of the subject matter is a direct quote from bleumune's post, which I directly attribute to him, and his post is only 1 post removed from mine.So me saying that isn't a statement that I will no longer engage with the subject, but rather a reflection of what other people on the board are saying about it.Women are mysterious creatures, and when you're growing up and getting your hormones, they are pretty much all you think about.The desire to somehow control her, either through stories, videos and movies, can be an outlet for them.

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